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Tuesday, October 25, 2005

Armageddon Dreams in American Churches

Can somebody please tell me why 3,200 American and Canadian churches agreed to screen the movie "Left Behind: World at War"?
Adapted from the "Left Behind" book series, the movies star Cameron, best known for the TV sitcom "Growing Pains," as a reporter investigating the rise to power of an anti-Christ figure and the coming battle between good and evil prophesied in the Bible.

Church should be a place to come together to speak of God and the Gospels. Church should not be a place for commercializing Armageddon movies based upon so-called "Christian" themes.

And look at the plot:
"A week after the rapture, grief-stricken survivors continue to search for the millions of people who vanished into thin air. Chaos engulfs the world as suicide rates skyrocket, businesses are looted, and martial law remains in effect. A desperate world turns to United Nations President Nicolae Carpathia for guidance and reassurance. But as global events begin to take on strange significance, signaling the oncoming terror of years to come, a small group of rebels known as the Tribulation Force embarks on a dangerous mission to open the eyes of the world to the truth--Nicolae Carpathia is the Antichrist!"

In other words, it's a movie propogandizing an evil United Nations.

Sounds like a movie that would make John Bolton happy.

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It just gets scarier and scarier, doesn't it?...

I have read the Left Behind series and found it a pretty good read until the last book where it got preachy. I saw the movie on TV. I was interested just cause I wanted to see how they chose the actors and how they protrayed the events. It was a little shallow and I didnt feel the choice of actors was right for Buck and Ray. I have noticed tha a lot of the evangelical Christians want to hit people with grim visions. They seem to be saying that if people dont believe as they do the rest of us are goners. On the other hand look at the UN now. Evil?

Why? Because Churches, like anything else, are about marketing to get the demand up. Showing free movies--and let's face it, most of these apocalyptic films aren't exactly intellectual--is a great way to get 'em in the doors. It's also a great way to show political power: it was certainly an eyeopener, when Passion of the Christ--a movie in Latin and Aramaic, for Pete's sake--became a blockbuster hit. The only other thing I've seen lately that even comes close to that kind of clout with the populace was Oprah knocking Anna Karinina to the Best Seller lists (and even that was only in English translation.)
Church has never, ever, been just a place to talk about God and the Gospels. Its power has never been limited wholely to the allocation of souls to Heaven or Hell, and I don't see why you would expect it to be now.
So, what I would like to see is a clear line between appropriate and inappropriate religious involvement in politics. Start with, "It was okay for Martin Luther King Jr. to encourage a bus boycott, but it is wrong for current church leaders to encourage a withdrawl from the United Nations because..." And don't use any variation of the phrase "just because." Clear, objective reasons, only, please.

Seems to me that the Christian Right want to encourage events that will hasten the rapture...ie support Israel etc.
Just as dangerous as the radical muslims if you ask me.
Yep from personal experience I believe that a lot of Evangelical Christians see us sinners as gonners. Church and relegion are about one thing....power....power to control the masses. Guess I wont be vanishing in the twinkle of an eye then. :)

SianNorah,

In response to your query:

"It was okay for Martin Luther King Jr. to encourage a bus boycott, but it is wrong for current church leaders to encourage a withdrawl from the United Nations because..."

.....Martin Luther King and his flock (and community, at large) were themselves victims of civil rights abuses, ranging from segregation to lynching. For them, it wasn't about politics as much as it was about survival and justice. The church getting involved in specific foreign policy matters is a slippery slope that will eventually weaken (not strengthen!) the church itself. For now, a church under seige is considered a strong church, and thus the church is more than happy to create or promote a feeling of "us against them." But for the most part, its fiction.

Nobody is lynching christians because of their religion. These days, Christians think they are being persecuted simply because some people don't "want to be saved". Somehow, many christians feel that a person's decision not to be a christian is somehow an attack on christianity. And its obvious why the church is doing this...because it makes for a stronger church. It united the flock. But eventually, the church will be chasing ghosts in the closet, and eventually, I'm afraid it will canabalize itself.

Can somebody please tell me why... - I'd think because they have the freedom to do so. What's your point?

In other words, it's a movie propogandizing an evil United Nations. - And you think the UN is good? LOL

Justadog,

They sure do have the freedom to do it. I wasn't even implying that they shouldn't. I was speaking about their judgment in doing so. Can you understand this?

The UN is as bad or good as its leadership. Who controls the UN?

The Left Behind series actually makes no sense because if all the crazy wingnut Christians suddenly vanished into thin air, I think the world would be a better place.

I read some of those books. I thought it was science fiction. Later, I decided that Bush is Carpathia, and Cheney his boot licking dog! I found a crudly xeroxed copy in the supermarket parking lot one day that said "Bush, The Antichrist". I guess I'm not the only one that drew parallels.

"the terrorist attack involving the alleged four hijacked planes."

Alleged? What kind of looney tune doubts it? Do you think Hollywood faked the destruction of the towers or do you think the hijacked planes were an hallucination?

Owner's Manual,

I don't doubt that planes were crashed into the towers. I saw it too. A growing number of people who have actually reviewed the available material have major doubts about WHO actually hijacked the planes. Are you aware that 6 of the 19 alleged hijackers are still alive. Check THIS out. Also, do a google search for yourself. Yes, planes were hijacked, but who did it? That question has not been adequately proven.

Here is the link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm

My Inaugural Address at the Great White Throne Judgment of the Dead, after I have raptured out billions!

At: http://www.angelfire.com/crazy/spaceman/
Your jaw will drop!

eschatology,End Times,second coming,rapture,secret rapture,Second Resurrection,Great White Throne Judgment of the Dead,
End of days,Day of the Lord,Endtime,Judgment Day

It just gets scarier and scarier, doesn't it?...

I have read the Left Behind series and found it a pretty good read until the last book where it got preachy. I saw the movie on TV. I was interested just cause I wanted to see how they chose the actors and how they protrayed the events. It was a little shallow and I didnt feel the choice of actors was right for Buck and Ray. I have noticed tha a lot of the evangelical Christians want to hit people with grim visions. They seem to be saying that if people dont believe as they do the rest of us are goners. On the other hand look at the UN now. Evil?

Why? Because Churches, like anything else, are about marketing to get the demand up. Showing free movies--and let's face it, most of these apocalyptic films aren't exactly intellectual--is a great way to get 'em in the doors. It's also a great way to show political power: it was certainly an eyeopener, when Passion of the Christ--a movie in Latin and Aramaic, for Pete's sake--became a blockbuster hit. The only other thing I've seen lately that even comes close to that kind of clout with the populace was Oprah knocking Anna Karinina to the Best Seller lists (and even that was only in English translation.)
Church has never, ever, been just a place to talk about God and the Gospels. Its power has never been limited wholely to the allocation of souls to Heaven or Hell, and I don't see why you would expect it to be now.
So, what I would like to see is a clear line between appropriate and inappropriate religious involvement in politics. Start with, "It was okay for Martin Luther King Jr. to encourage a bus boycott, but it is wrong for current church leaders to encourage a withdrawl from the United Nations because..." And don't use any variation of the phrase "just because." Clear, objective reasons, only, please.

Seems to me that the Christian Right want to encourage events that will hasten the rapture...ie support Israel etc.
Just as dangerous as the radical muslims if you ask me.
Yep from personal experience I believe that a lot of Evangelical Christians see us sinners as gonners. Church and relegion are about one thing....power....power to control the masses. Guess I wont be vanishing in the twinkle of an eye then. :)

SianNorah,

In response to your query:

"It was okay for Martin Luther King Jr. to encourage a bus boycott, but it is wrong for current church leaders to encourage a withdrawl from the United Nations because..."

.....Martin Luther King and his flock (and community, at large) were themselves victims of civil rights abuses, ranging from segregation to lynching. For them, it wasn't about politics as much as it was about survival and justice. The church getting involved in specific foreign policy matters is a slippery slope that will eventually weaken (not strengthen!) the church itself. For now, a church under seige is considered a strong church, and thus the church is more than happy to create or promote a feeling of "us against them." But for the most part, its fiction.

Nobody is lynching christians because of their religion. These days, Christians think they are being persecuted simply because some people don't "want to be saved". Somehow, many christians feel that a person's decision not to be a christian is somehow an attack on christianity. And its obvious why the church is doing this...because it makes for a stronger church. It united the flock. But eventually, the church will be chasing ghosts in the closet, and eventually, I'm afraid it will canabalize itself.

Can somebody please tell me why... - I'd think because they have the freedom to do so. What's your point?

In other words, it's a movie propogandizing an evil United Nations. - And you think the UN is good? LOL

Justadog,

They sure do have the freedom to do it. I wasn't even implying that they shouldn't. I was speaking about their judgment in doing so. Can you understand this?

The UN is as bad or good as its leadership. Who controls the UN?

The Left Behind series actually makes no sense because if all the crazy wingnut Christians suddenly vanished into thin air, I think the world would be a better place.

I read some of those books. I thought it was science fiction. Later, I decided that Bush is Carpathia, and Cheney his boot licking dog! I found a crudly xeroxed copy in the supermarket parking lot one day that said "Bush, The Antichrist". I guess I'm not the only one that drew parallels.

"the terrorist attack involving the alleged four hijacked planes."

Alleged? What kind of looney tune doubts it? Do you think Hollywood faked the destruction of the towers or do you think the hijacked planes were an hallucination?

Owner's Manual,

I don't doubt that planes were crashed into the towers. I saw it too. A growing number of people who have actually reviewed the available material have major doubts about WHO actually hijacked the planes. Are you aware that 6 of the 19 alleged hijackers are still alive. Check THIS out. Also, do a google search for yourself. Yes, planes were hijacked, but who did it? That question has not been adequately proven.

Here is the link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm

My Inaugural Address at the Great White Throne Judgment of the Dead, after I have raptured out billions!

At: http://www.angelfire.com/crazy/spaceman/
Your jaw will drop!

eschatology,End Times,second coming,rapture,secret rapture,Second Resurrection,Great White Throne Judgment of the Dead,
End of days,Day of the Lord,Endtime,Judgment Day

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