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Monday, August 08, 2005

The Struggle Continues.... James Dobson. Ideological Extremist?

When the president told us that we are now in the midst of a struggle against ideological extremism (and no longer fighting a war on terrorism), he sure wasn't kidding. (See video here in .mov format) So far, here at The Bulldog Manifesto, we have 'struggled against' uber-extremists Ann Coulter, Pat Robertson, and the so-called Christian group named Christian Exodus. Today, the struggle continues.

In the spotlight today is Focus on the Family's James Dobson. Is he an ideological extremist? You decide.

Recently, James Dobson came under fire for his comparison of embryonic stem cell doctors to Nazi experimentation 'doctors'. In doing so, Mr. Dobson said:
"In World War II, the Nazis experimented on human beings in horrible ways in the concentration camps, and I imagine, if you wanted to take the time to read about it, there would have been some discoveries there that benefited mankind." -- August 3
Interesting view, don't you think?

But what about the time Mr. Dobson accused the cartoon character SpongBob Squarepants of being a vehicle for "pro-gay propoganda". Specifically, Mr. Dobson accused this cartoon video (Requires Internet Explorer 6.0) of promoting homosexuality. After you watch the video (which is located half way down the link's webpage) do you think the video is even remotely suggestive of homosexuality?

Regarding homosexuality, Mr. Dobson believes that "Homosexuals are not monogamous. They want to destroy the institution of marriage. It will destroy marriage. It will destroy the Earth." -- The Daily Oklahoman, Oct. 23rd, 2004. He also believes that homosexuality is a mental disorder, that same-sex couples are unfit parents, that homosexuality can be cured, and that gays and lesbians are “sick, ungodly” people who want “special rights.”

But not only is Mr. Dobson a self-procalimed expert on the ungodly nature of gay people, but he is also a self-proclaimed expert in child rearing. In fact, Mr. Dobson is a firm believer in hitting your child until the child cries.
"[P]ain is a marvelous purifier. . . It is not necessary to beat the child into submission; a little bit of pain goes a long way for a young child. However, the spanking should be of sufficient magnitude to cause the child to cry genuinely." -- Dare to Discipline Pages 6-7
And where, might you ask, did Mr. Dobson confirm his belief that physical pain can be a good tool for teaching a child? From beating his dog, of course:
"Please don't misunderstand me. Siggie is a member of our family and we love him dearly. And despite his anarchistic nature, I have finally taught him to obey a few simple commands. However, we had some classic battles before he reluctantly yielded to my authority.

"The greatest confrontation occurred a few years ago when I had been in Miami for a three-day conference. I returned to observe that Siggie had become boss of the house while I was gone. But I didn't realize until later that evening just how strongly he felt about his new position as Captain.

"At eleven o'clock that night, I told Siggie to go get into his bed, which is a permanent enclosure in the family room. For six years I had given him that order at the end of each day, and for six years Siggie had obeyed.

"On this occasion, however, he refused to budge. You see, he was in the bathroom, seated comfortably on the furry lid of the toilet seat. That is his favorite spot in the house, because it allows him to bask in the warmth of a nearby electric heater..."

"When I told Sigmund to leave his warm seat and go to bed, he flattened his ears and slowly turned his head toward me. He deliberately braced himself by placing one paw on the edge of the furry lid, then hunched his shoulders, raised his lips to reveal the molars on both sides, and uttered his most threatening growl. That was Siggie's way of saying. "Get lost!"

"I had seen this defiant mood before, and knew there was only one way to deal with it. The ONLY way to make Siggie obey is to threaten him with destruction. Nothing else works. I turned and went to my closet and got a small belt to help me "reason" with Mr. Freud."

What developed next is impossible to describe. That tiny dog and I had the most vicious fight ever staged between man and beast. I fought him up one wall and down the other, with both of us scratching and clawing and growling and swinging the belt. I am embarrassed by the memory of the entire scene. Inch by inch I moved him toward the family room and his bed. As a final desperate maneuver, Siggie backed into the corner for one last snarling stand. I eventually got him to bed, only because I outweighed him 200 to 12!" -- The Strong Willed Child
And to think, perhaps he could have just picked the tiny dog and moved him to his bed. Nah! Much better to go get the belt and prove a point to Siggie. He'll be damned if that 12 pound dog gets the better of him. And heck, if it works on Siggie, its good for your child too. Excellent reasoning, Mr. Dobson. Excellent!

For guys like James Dobson, if you don't obey what he wants, you are an enemy of "God's people". Don't believe me? Well, James Dobson called Senator Patrick Leahy an "enemy of God's people". Yup, because Senator Leahy has (thankfully) opposed many of Mr. Dobson's 'thought police' measures, Dobson branded Senator Leahy an enemy of "God's people". I guess that means that Mr. Dobson believes that he is at the head of "God's people".

Is James Dobson an ideological extremist? I think so. What do you think?

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Can we add Fred Phelps to this list of extremists? Frankly this guy is just evil.

http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t32279.html

http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthsuperior/news/local/12268206.htm

http://news.yahoo.com/s/kmbc/20050805/lo_kmbc/2866367

Personally, I have benefited greatly from James Dobson's books. At a time when no one else seemed to be able to give me any direction in straightening out my family and setting things right, he did. I will never be able to thank him enough for the positive changes he brought to our lives. That was over 15 years ago now. Isn't it interesting that he should become the poster boy for the nasty 'christian right' in the great fight for...what was it again? Oh yah. The right to flood North America with child porn, dissolve traditional marriage (you know, the kind where all the parts actually fit and produce?), to allow our kids to throw hissy fits in grocery stores and other public places (basically running the entire show in our families), casually abort the babies from our own bodies (well, if you're female, that is) without parental consent at the age of 13 (sort of like an ingrown toenail...oh sorry, you need parents approval for that one). Oh well. I'm sure the 'liberal left'in favour of all these things (well if they hate JD who speaks out against all the above, they must be for them, right?) will win through in the end.

Lucky for me, and not for Dobson, I believe in Karma..

That passage about the dog says it all.. Eeek! Cruel bastard. Typical bully, by the sound of it. Why not pick on a pitbull next time? That woud be fun to watch..

Oh my God...that passage about the dog made me ill. What a bully.

Dotbar: Interesting that it's all or nothing with you. It's also interesting that you tried to debunk an argument you disagreed with by throwing out a portrait of an extremist of your own making. The difference is this: Dr. Dobson actually SAID all those things. I personally don't know anybody that ascribes to everything that you claimed liberals wanted.

But you know, the idea that only the children of liberals act up was really, really funny. I never thought to poll the political leanings of parents during their child's tantrum, so I don't know how you came up with this little fact. lol

dotbar,

I'm glad you were helped through a time of need. I appreciate you showing another perspective, especially one that is personal to the subject matter.

Just for the record though, I don't hate Mr. Dobson. I disagree with him. I do feel, however, that he hates those of us who disagree with him. In my view, we are all God's people. In James Dobson's view, oly those who agree with James Dobson are God's people.

As for the things you said about child porn, casual abortion, and allowing kids to throw hissy fits, you sure did make some MAJOR assumptions while at the same time completely mischaracterize Mr. Dobson's views.

Mr. Dobson isn't merely against child pornography, he is against all pornography. Mr. Dobson isn't merely against casual abortion, he is against all abortion. And he isn't worried about children and their hissy fits, he is worried about making sure that parents are always in a position of dominance over their child, preferably through physical domination.

The liberals you speak of aren't so much for pornography, abortion, and the hissy child-- they are for the right to be free. They are sick and tired of people like Mr. Dobson attempting to impose their philosophy on their own family. The people on the right speak about freedom, but in reality, they are scared to death of freedom.

I'm glad he helped you. I really am.

My parents smacked me sometimes. They loved me, but I was a total ratbag.

However it really did hurt them more than it hurt me (to use that old cliche). Mum or Dad would be in tears, and I'd have a sore arse for about fifteen minutes. Still, I did eventually learn not to be a total ratbag.

I'm not against smacking (hell, I've even smacked my cat lightly on the nose a few times to teach it not to climb on the dining table) but using a belt to "fight a battle" with an animal a twentieth of your size? That's just wrong.

I think James Dobson just like beating up on creatures to make himself feel big.

Tell you what mister Dobson, how bout you try imposing your will on me with your belt now you bully? Oh wait, I'm large enough and tough enough to fight back.


Bulldog - Kudos on responding so nicely to the right wing moron's irrational propaganda. Maybe you'll eventually win the right wing "christian" (they don't believe in the same Jeus I learned about in Sunday School, that's for damn sure) extremists over by using Jesus' reccomended tactics of loving your enemies.

I wish I was that patient.

Great site. Dobson is a horse's ass.

I agree with Chandira about Karma and what goes around comes around. Hopefully Dobson will be cornered by a pitbull and be screaming and sobbing like a 2-year-old until somebody rescues him.

Incidentally, Dobson's Ph.D. is in psychology, and not Divinity as most people would guess. Psychology -- hmmm, maybe doing God's work is less important than being an expert at manipulating and knowing which buttons to push.

What is wrong with what he said? I do not get it....

Hey there Bulldog! Thanks for your comment on my blog today and the kind words.

Sheesh. Comparing embryonic stem cell research to Nazi experimentation doctors is unbelievable.

Dobson's sanctimonious blithering always bugged me. When I saw that section about him beating the dog with the belt, well, I realized why he bugged me - he's a cruel bully who would probably get along swimmingly with Dick Cheney.

I am a former Christian church minister, and I have long disliked Dobson, and the cult of personality that he has built. It was always odd to me that in independant, reformation churches that they rally around certain people so strongly. I agree totally that Dobson is the worst kind of extremist... the kind that his followers are utterly blind to his faults. His books become texts for ministers and saints. This sort of thing is part of the reason I do not fit in to the formal ministry... I cannot buy into the crap that is peddled by FOTF and other Christian uber organizations... and the church is mostly unbending in their requirement for support of the Saints of the day. Great blog.

If no one became a soldier there would be no wars. If no one voted then we would not have to worry about these assholes who believe they "have the will of the people". Moms: teach your children well, you fathers hell..
I like your blog..but how do yu get it to appear so regularly when I am surfing!?

I know I made some gross generalizations about the 'liberal left' but that was only to balance your lopsided presentation of James Dobson. Just because you come at life from a different perspective doesn't make him 100% wrong and you 100% right. I happen to agree with much of what he says. That's because I have the same world view as he does. Maybe, just maybe, some of us are kind of tired of having a completely liberalanythinggoesleaveyourmoralsatthe door kind of philosophy running things. I find that often people don't delve far enough into the issues (such as embryonic stem cell research) enough to really understand why this could be kind of a problem. Sort of like cloning. Oh yah, I've heard it all before.."just because we allow so and so, you 'christian right' think that such and such will happen". and low and behold, 5 - 10 years later, it does happen. But it's too late for "I told you so's", because the damage is done. Anyways, everyone is entitled to their own viewpoint. This is mine and I stand by it.

I believe that same sex marriage is against God's law. And I don't believe hitting a child is right. Great read

Can we add Fred Phelps to this list of extremists? Frankly this guy is just evil.

http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t32279.html

http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthsuperior/news/local/12268206.htm

http://news.yahoo.com/s/kmbc/20050805/lo_kmbc/2866367

Personally, I have benefited greatly from James Dobson's books. At a time when no one else seemed to be able to give me any direction in straightening out my family and setting things right, he did. I will never be able to thank him enough for the positive changes he brought to our lives. That was over 15 years ago now. Isn't it interesting that he should become the poster boy for the nasty 'christian right' in the great fight for...what was it again? Oh yah. The right to flood North America with child porn, dissolve traditional marriage (you know, the kind where all the parts actually fit and produce?), to allow our kids to throw hissy fits in grocery stores and other public places (basically running the entire show in our families), casually abort the babies from our own bodies (well, if you're female, that is) without parental consent at the age of 13 (sort of like an ingrown toenail...oh sorry, you need parents approval for that one). Oh well. I'm sure the 'liberal left'in favour of all these things (well if they hate JD who speaks out against all the above, they must be for them, right?) will win through in the end.

Lucky for me, and not for Dobson, I believe in Karma..

That passage about the dog says it all.. Eeek! Cruel bastard. Typical bully, by the sound of it. Why not pick on a pitbull next time? That woud be fun to watch..

Oh my God...that passage about the dog made me ill. What a bully.

Dotbar: Interesting that it's all or nothing with you. It's also interesting that you tried to debunk an argument you disagreed with by throwing out a portrait of an extremist of your own making. The difference is this: Dr. Dobson actually SAID all those things. I personally don't know anybody that ascribes to everything that you claimed liberals wanted.

But you know, the idea that only the children of liberals act up was really, really funny. I never thought to poll the political leanings of parents during their child's tantrum, so I don't know how you came up with this little fact. lol

dotbar,

I'm glad you were helped through a time of need. I appreciate you showing another perspective, especially one that is personal to the subject matter.

Just for the record though, I don't hate Mr. Dobson. I disagree with him. I do feel, however, that he hates those of us who disagree with him. In my view, we are all God's people. In James Dobson's view, oly those who agree with James Dobson are God's people.

As for the things you said about child porn, casual abortion, and allowing kids to throw hissy fits, you sure did make some MAJOR assumptions while at the same time completely mischaracterize Mr. Dobson's views.

Mr. Dobson isn't merely against child pornography, he is against all pornography. Mr. Dobson isn't merely against casual abortion, he is against all abortion. And he isn't worried about children and their hissy fits, he is worried about making sure that parents are always in a position of dominance over their child, preferably through physical domination.

The liberals you speak of aren't so much for pornography, abortion, and the hissy child-- they are for the right to be free. They are sick and tired of people like Mr. Dobson attempting to impose their philosophy on their own family. The people on the right speak about freedom, but in reality, they are scared to death of freedom.

I'm glad he helped you. I really am.

My parents smacked me sometimes. They loved me, but I was a total ratbag.

However it really did hurt them more than it hurt me (to use that old cliche). Mum or Dad would be in tears, and I'd have a sore arse for about fifteen minutes. Still, I did eventually learn not to be a total ratbag.

I'm not against smacking (hell, I've even smacked my cat lightly on the nose a few times to teach it not to climb on the dining table) but using a belt to "fight a battle" with an animal a twentieth of your size? That's just wrong.

I think James Dobson just like beating up on creatures to make himself feel big.

Tell you what mister Dobson, how bout you try imposing your will on me with your belt now you bully? Oh wait, I'm large enough and tough enough to fight back.


Bulldog - Kudos on responding so nicely to the right wing moron's irrational propaganda. Maybe you'll eventually win the right wing "christian" (they don't believe in the same Jeus I learned about in Sunday School, that's for damn sure) extremists over by using Jesus' reccomended tactics of loving your enemies.

I wish I was that patient.

Great site. Dobson is a horse's ass.

I agree with Chandira about Karma and what goes around comes around. Hopefully Dobson will be cornered by a pitbull and be screaming and sobbing like a 2-year-old until somebody rescues him.

Incidentally, Dobson's Ph.D. is in psychology, and not Divinity as most people would guess. Psychology -- hmmm, maybe doing God's work is less important than being an expert at manipulating and knowing which buttons to push.

What is wrong with what he said? I do not get it....

Hey there Bulldog! Thanks for your comment on my blog today and the kind words.

Sheesh. Comparing embryonic stem cell research to Nazi experimentation doctors is unbelievable.

Dobson's sanctimonious blithering always bugged me. When I saw that section about him beating the dog with the belt, well, I realized why he bugged me - he's a cruel bully who would probably get along swimmingly with Dick Cheney.

I am a former Christian church minister, and I have long disliked Dobson, and the cult of personality that he has built. It was always odd to me that in independant, reformation churches that they rally around certain people so strongly. I agree totally that Dobson is the worst kind of extremist... the kind that his followers are utterly blind to his faults. His books become texts for ministers and saints. This sort of thing is part of the reason I do not fit in to the formal ministry... I cannot buy into the crap that is peddled by FOTF and other Christian uber organizations... and the church is mostly unbending in their requirement for support of the Saints of the day. Great blog.

If no one became a soldier there would be no wars. If no one voted then we would not have to worry about these assholes who believe they "have the will of the people". Moms: teach your children well, you fathers hell..
I like your blog..but how do yu get it to appear so regularly when I am surfing!?

I know I made some gross generalizations about the 'liberal left' but that was only to balance your lopsided presentation of James Dobson. Just because you come at life from a different perspective doesn't make him 100% wrong and you 100% right. I happen to agree with much of what he says. That's because I have the same world view as he does. Maybe, just maybe, some of us are kind of tired of having a completely liberalanythinggoesleaveyourmoralsatthe door kind of philosophy running things. I find that often people don't delve far enough into the issues (such as embryonic stem cell research) enough to really understand why this could be kind of a problem. Sort of like cloning. Oh yah, I've heard it all before.."just because we allow so and so, you 'christian right' think that such and such will happen". and low and behold, 5 - 10 years later, it does happen. But it's too late for "I told you so's", because the damage is done. Anyways, everyone is entitled to their own viewpoint. This is mine and I stand by it.

I believe that same sex marriage is against God's law. And I don't believe hitting a child is right. Great read

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