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Wednesday, July 13, 2005

Goebbels & Rove -- Propaganda R' Us


Who is Joseph Goebbels?

Joseph Goebbels was Hitler's Propaganda Minister. He was a prominent figure in Hitler's regime, known for his skilled rhetoric and zealous oratory. He played a large role in the assumption of Nazi control, and helped the Nazis retain power by creating propaganda to present the Nazi ideology to the German people in a favourable light. According to Wikipedia, he was also a committed anti-Semite, involved with Kristallnacht in 1938, and later connected with the Nazi Endlösung (Final Solution) to the Judenfrage ("Jewish Question"), especially the deportation of Jews from Berlin.

Joseph Goebbels was able to muster public support for "Kristallnacht" ("The Night of Broken Glass") by, among other things, making a huge deal out of a Jewish man who killed a low level German diplomat. After the killing, Goebbels ordered the German newspapers to give (super-double) extra special attention to the story of the Jew killing the non-Jew. Even going so far as ordering the newspapers to cover the story on the front page.

Goebbels is also famous for his technique, known as "argumentum ad nauseam". Bascially, this is the policy of repeating a lie so often until it is believed to be true. For example, when Goebbels took control of the Der Angriff (literally, "The Assault") newspaper, he attacked Berlin Police President Bernhard Weiss, calling him "Isidor" Weiss. Isidor is, to German ears, an insulting name with strong anti-semetic connotations. This was done to such an extent that the public believed Isidor to be his real name, and he therefore became a figure of fun and ridicule.

Who is Karl Rove?
Karl Rove is George W. Bush's propaganda minister. He is a prominent figure in Bush's regime known for his skilled rhetoric and robotic talking points. He played an instrumental role in the assumption of Neocon control. Currently, he helps the Neocons retain power, even in light of impeachable offenses, by creating propaganda to present the Neocon ideology to the American people in a favourable "patriotic and Christian" light.

Karl Rove was able to muster public support for an unwarranted invasion into Iraq by convincing the American public (via lies, lies, and more lies) that Iraq was associated with the 9/11 attacks against America. Among the lies, Rove created and helped perpetuate myths relating to Iraq's possession of weapons of mass destruction, including nuclear bombs, anthrax, and other biological weapons.

After 9/11 and the anthrax attacks (which were actually perpetrated by a US government insider, not an al-Qaeda operative!), Rove still managed to transform American fear into American rage. (Once again, it should be noted that Rove and his minions sent Colin Powell before the United Nations waving around a vial of fake anthrax eventhough the only anthrax scare to hit America was homegrown at Fort Derrick in Maryland, not Iraq)

Rove is also famous for his technique, known as "argumentum ad nauseam". Bascially, this is the policy of repeating a lie so often until it is believed to be true. For example, Rove and his minions repeatedly mentioned links between 9-11 and Iraq, even though this is, and always was, an outright lie. Nevertheless, they repeated the lie so often that even after they finally confessed to the lie, a recent poll concluded that 64% of Americans still believed the lie!

Additionally, he is famous for another technique, known as "commitum the treaseaum". Basically, this is the policy whereby Rove will use any means to squash an opponent, even going so far as committing treason. For example, in supposedly fighting a war for America's security, Rove disclosed the identity of a CIA operative, thereby severely comprimising America's security.

So there you have it. Two men. Seperated by time and space, but not ideology and methodology. Joseph Goebbels and Karl Rove-- Great Fascist Heroes!

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You really must cease the desperate attempts to convince the world that your consipracy theories are true. Karl Rove is no angel, and in my eyes, should resign, but continued comparison to regimes such as Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia and Pol Pot's Cambodia make you look more ridiculous than the point you are trying to make. Relax, man - stop using shock value to prove your point and rely on facts alone. That should be plenty to get your point across.

I don't entirely agree even though I think that our next president will be a monkey because well this one is alreadey 3/4's of one. todd is right though.

To be honest Todd, the comparisons to Fascist regimes is so eerily close that EVERYONE should be not only amazed but disgusted at their own sheepishness for falling for it.

This is NOT shock value - truth is more shocking than anything anyone can muster.

Take a loot at the definition of Fascism and then honestly tell us that our current government is not one.

Y'all are deluded if you think the comparison is not a good one. You have to a certain extent allowed his behavior and that of the FOX/talk shows fascists to be normal. To the average person outside the US (outside of the ad-naseatum rethorics) there is simply no good reason for the hate speech that was employed on clinton when he got a blow job or the speech currently used on certain nationalities. The level to which Karl pushes this mudslinging is beyond comprehension of most foreigners. These wingnuts need shrink, they are as sick as the german example given by the Bulldog....

Todd,

I know its hard to swallow. Perhaps you need more time. Keep coming back.
And by the way, I am very relaxed, it sounds, however, that you are not.

Have you ever heard of the Reichstag fire? Dont worry if you haven't, I'll be talking about that next.

I'm doing nothing but mentioning history and juxstaposing it to the present day.

Thanks for the post though

The only real fascists to worry about are Islamofascists. It doesn't matter that the whole world thought Saddam had WMD, huh?

I've heard these comparisons with Nazi before, however I have not heard of comparisons with Stalin or Pol Pot.

Makes you almost believe in reincarnation doesn't it.

Interesting comparison, at times eerily true. What should we do?

No BS,

The whole world was being fooled by Rove and Bush.

Polanco,

To answer your question- "Get Active and start talking to your friends"

All I can do is shake my head and laugh... you libs never change... why not compare Jesus christ or Mother Theresa to Hitler too, while you're at it? Geez...

Are you comparing Karl Rove to Jesus Christ or Mother Theresa? If so, I think its us who will do the laughing.

Rove is truly a propaganda master. I think that while comparing him to Nazis may be a bit overboard, the Right has no right to claim there is no similarity. The only difference is the aim of the propaganda. The crime is in itself the same. Roove is as evil (and alas talented) a propaganda artist as Goebbels ever was or anyone who worked for Stalin for that matter.

What you fail to mention is that Karl Rove has a counterpart in the Democratic machinery. You also left out the proven fact that Hillary Clinton is the antichrist.

Bullcrap, someday you'll realize that what you've said is the opposite of reality. Get off your wacko emotional rollercoaster and face the true facts.

Bush didn't start this war and neither did Rove. But they are winning it for America, after the lame-ass Clinton let it all build up for 8 years during his skirt chasing and camera hugging sessions.

If a democrat was in office right now under the same circumstances, you'd be telling us all how great the war is and how great the country is doing, and you know it.

But your partisan hypocrisy is on the edge of insanity. Rove and Bush have let the democrat emotional misfit liberals kill themselves because they can't deal with anything they don't control, which now is everything since Bubba blew it for you and the nation. Dems are a joke now as they jump at any bone thrown to 'em in hopes of nailing Bush.

Hell, any moron can figure that out, except of course liberal dems who keep stepping in the same crap over and over. Doh!

You're all just twising in the wind as everything democrats have lied about for the past 60 years with the liberal media propaganda masters comes back to bite them in the ass hard

I've said it before and will say it again: Ottman, go back to Communist Russia or Nazi Germany or whatver other extremist regime you came from. Either that or go back in time and stop your momma from dropping you on your head.

Ottman,

You fail to realize that I'm not even a democrat. You fail to realize that this sight has not endorsed the democrats. My issue is primarily AGAINST Bush.

If you weren't so drunk on the punch you've been served, you might realize that Bush is more dangerous than helpful.

Its you who is partisan. Its you who only sees things in democrat and republican terms.

The funny thing is, BUsh isn't even following republican ideology, he is following a neocon/fascist agenda. Many republicans are now against Bush. The party is practically breaking apart with the neocon rift.

But I suppose you are so drunk on your Fox News, you wont understand any of this.

I agree with you Mr Bulldog. Although I'm not a fan of political blogs, I think yours ranks amongst the best. I share the same views expressed in your posts, tho I cannot express them as great as you do. Hope you don't mind but I've linked you to my blog, I think a few of my readers would agree with you and appreciate your views as much as I do.

rez,

Thanks for the kind words and the links. I'm glad you enjoy the blog. Please feel free to email me with suggestions or whatever.

:-)

That's just plain scary.

"After 9/11 and the anthrax attacks (which were actually perpetrated by a US government insider, not an al-Qaeda operative!)...."

I didn't know that.

Very scary.

Great post. There's definitely a strong parallel between Rove and Goebbels, and this needs to be publicized as much as possible.

People fail to see a few vital points of this post. You're actually not calling the current government nazis, you're pointing out historically correct parallels. Something rather different altogether than saying Bush or Rove is a nazi.

You should take caution though when using nazi comparisons on the internet: there is a rule around that state that every internet discussion will at one point involve nazis. It's a bullshit rule, and functions only to allow idiots to leave the discussion at that point convinced that whoever mentioned them lost the argument. But there's a lot of idiots on this world, and even more on the internet, so take care ;)

As for myself, I'm glad to be from Europe so I don't have to cope directly with the monkey that got reelected for another 4 years. I'd just be glad if he'd leave us out of all the bullcrap and fight his War for Oil and Weapons alone.

Bulldog, Can I visit your little world?

For answers on "What should we do?"

Here are a few places to start:

The Impeachment-9/11 Project:
Libertarian-Americans lead effort to restore Constitutional Government to the US, 1/7/05
http://www.reasontofreedom.com/Impeachment_911.html

Freedom: It's the Law
Let's regain our freedom by restoring the Bill of Rights, 7/1/05
http://www.ReasonToFreedom.com/Bill_of_Rights.html

The Four Reasons for Responsible Citizenship
http://www.thefourreasons.org/

Veterans For Peace Call for Congressional Action to Remove George W. Bush from the Office of President of the United States, 3/29/05
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/impeachment/impeachment.htm

And a Lycos web search turns up 177,500 hits on "impeach bush," so there are quite a few other sites to explore as well.

Best regards,

M.J. Taylor
Editor
from Reason to Freedom
http://www.ReasonToFreedom.com/

vulture 6,

Sure you can. You simply need to read, open your eyes, use your brain, and question authority from time to time. You must be willing to look at your country from many different points.

Great post...makes you want to go hmmmm.

this is an interesting blog. the righties claim that war defeated fascism, as if it is possible to defeat an ideology. while i would not go so far to say that this administration is full of nazis (only grandsons of nazis!), we do have to be vigilant. god help us if we are arabs. it's hard enough being liberal without the department of justice snooping around.

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If you have a "horror story" when dealing with an American Bull Dog breeder or kennel PLEASE share it with us at http://americanbulldogblog.blogspot.com/

By doing so you will be providing valuable information to potential puppy buyers and help them avoid similar situation.

You really must cease the desperate attempts to convince the world that your consipracy theories are true. Karl Rove is no angel, and in my eyes, should resign, but continued comparison to regimes such as Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia and Pol Pot's Cambodia make you look more ridiculous than the point you are trying to make. Relax, man - stop using shock value to prove your point and rely on facts alone. That should be plenty to get your point across.

I don't entirely agree even though I think that our next president will be a monkey because well this one is alreadey 3/4's of one. todd is right though.

To be honest Todd, the comparisons to Fascist regimes is so eerily close that EVERYONE should be not only amazed but disgusted at their own sheepishness for falling for it.

This is NOT shock value - truth is more shocking than anything anyone can muster.

Take a loot at the definition of Fascism and then honestly tell us that our current government is not one.

Y'all are deluded if you think the comparison is not a good one. You have to a certain extent allowed his behavior and that of the FOX/talk shows fascists to be normal. To the average person outside the US (outside of the ad-naseatum rethorics) there is simply no good reason for the hate speech that was employed on clinton when he got a blow job or the speech currently used on certain nationalities. The level to which Karl pushes this mudslinging is beyond comprehension of most foreigners. These wingnuts need shrink, they are as sick as the german example given by the Bulldog....

Todd,

I know its hard to swallow. Perhaps you need more time. Keep coming back.
And by the way, I am very relaxed, it sounds, however, that you are not.

Have you ever heard of the Reichstag fire? Dont worry if you haven't, I'll be talking about that next.

I'm doing nothing but mentioning history and juxstaposing it to the present day.

Thanks for the post though

The only real fascists to worry about are Islamofascists. It doesn't matter that the whole world thought Saddam had WMD, huh?

I've heard these comparisons with Nazi before, however I have not heard of comparisons with Stalin or Pol Pot.

Makes you almost believe in reincarnation doesn't it.

Interesting comparison, at times eerily true. What should we do?

No BS,

The whole world was being fooled by Rove and Bush.

Polanco,

To answer your question- "Get Active and start talking to your friends"

All I can do is shake my head and laugh... you libs never change... why not compare Jesus christ or Mother Theresa to Hitler too, while you're at it? Geez...

Are you comparing Karl Rove to Jesus Christ or Mother Theresa? If so, I think its us who will do the laughing.

Rove is truly a propaganda master. I think that while comparing him to Nazis may be a bit overboard, the Right has no right to claim there is no similarity. The only difference is the aim of the propaganda. The crime is in itself the same. Roove is as evil (and alas talented) a propaganda artist as Goebbels ever was or anyone who worked for Stalin for that matter.

What you fail to mention is that Karl Rove has a counterpart in the Democratic machinery. You also left out the proven fact that Hillary Clinton is the antichrist.

Bullcrap, someday you'll realize that what you've said is the opposite of reality. Get off your wacko emotional rollercoaster and face the true facts.

Bush didn't start this war and neither did Rove. But they are winning it for America, after the lame-ass Clinton let it all build up for 8 years during his skirt chasing and camera hugging sessions.

If a democrat was in office right now under the same circumstances, you'd be telling us all how great the war is and how great the country is doing, and you know it.

But your partisan hypocrisy is on the edge of insanity. Rove and Bush have let the democrat emotional misfit liberals kill themselves because they can't deal with anything they don't control, which now is everything since Bubba blew it for you and the nation. Dems are a joke now as they jump at any bone thrown to 'em in hopes of nailing Bush.

Hell, any moron can figure that out, except of course liberal dems who keep stepping in the same crap over and over. Doh!

You're all just twising in the wind as everything democrats have lied about for the past 60 years with the liberal media propaganda masters comes back to bite them in the ass hard

I've said it before and will say it again: Ottman, go back to Communist Russia or Nazi Germany or whatver other extremist regime you came from. Either that or go back in time and stop your momma from dropping you on your head.

Ottman,

You fail to realize that I'm not even a democrat. You fail to realize that this sight has not endorsed the democrats. My issue is primarily AGAINST Bush.

If you weren't so drunk on the punch you've been served, you might realize that Bush is more dangerous than helpful.

Its you who is partisan. Its you who only sees things in democrat and republican terms.

The funny thing is, BUsh isn't even following republican ideology, he is following a neocon/fascist agenda. Many republicans are now against Bush. The party is practically breaking apart with the neocon rift.

But I suppose you are so drunk on your Fox News, you wont understand any of this.

I agree with you Mr Bulldog. Although I'm not a fan of political blogs, I think yours ranks amongst the best. I share the same views expressed in your posts, tho I cannot express them as great as you do. Hope you don't mind but I've linked you to my blog, I think a few of my readers would agree with you and appreciate your views as much as I do.

rez,

Thanks for the kind words and the links. I'm glad you enjoy the blog. Please feel free to email me with suggestions or whatever.

:-)

That's just plain scary.

"After 9/11 and the anthrax attacks (which were actually perpetrated by a US government insider, not an al-Qaeda operative!)...."

I didn't know that.

Very scary.

Great post. There's definitely a strong parallel between Rove and Goebbels, and this needs to be publicized as much as possible.

People fail to see a few vital points of this post. You're actually not calling the current government nazis, you're pointing out historically correct parallels. Something rather different altogether than saying Bush or Rove is a nazi.

You should take caution though when using nazi comparisons on the internet: there is a rule around that state that every internet discussion will at one point involve nazis. It's a bullshit rule, and functions only to allow idiots to leave the discussion at that point convinced that whoever mentioned them lost the argument. But there's a lot of idiots on this world, and even more on the internet, so take care ;)

As for myself, I'm glad to be from Europe so I don't have to cope directly with the monkey that got reelected for another 4 years. I'd just be glad if he'd leave us out of all the bullcrap and fight his War for Oil and Weapons alone.

Bulldog, Can I visit your little world?

For answers on "What should we do?"

Here are a few places to start:

The Impeachment-9/11 Project:
Libertarian-Americans lead effort to restore Constitutional Government to the US, 1/7/05
http://www.reasontofreedom.com/Impeachment_911.html

Freedom: It's the Law
Let's regain our freedom by restoring the Bill of Rights, 7/1/05
http://www.ReasonToFreedom.com/Bill_of_Rights.html

The Four Reasons for Responsible Citizenship
http://www.thefourreasons.org/

Veterans For Peace Call for Congressional Action to Remove George W. Bush from the Office of President of the United States, 3/29/05
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/impeachment/impeachment.htm

And a Lycos web search turns up 177,500 hits on "impeach bush," so there are quite a few other sites to explore as well.

Best regards,

M.J. Taylor
Editor
from Reason to Freedom
http://www.ReasonToFreedom.com/

vulture 6,

Sure you can. You simply need to read, open your eyes, use your brain, and question authority from time to time. You must be willing to look at your country from many different points.

Great post...makes you want to go hmmmm.

this is an interesting blog. the righties claim that war defeated fascism, as if it is possible to defeat an ideology. while i would not go so far to say that this administration is full of nazis (only grandsons of nazis!), we do have to be vigilant. god help us if we are arabs. it's hard enough being liberal without the department of justice snooping around.

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If you have a "horror story" when dealing with an American Bull Dog breeder or kennel PLEASE share it with us at http://americanbulldogblog.blogspot.com/

By doing so you will be providing valuable information to potential puppy buyers and help them avoid similar situation.

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